The Worst ML Ever

fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
edited January 2011 in Horse Racing Forum
This is the absolute worst ml line I have ever seen in my life, the track handicapper has made Dialed In 6-1 on the ml, this is one of the most talked about horses out there in his Churchill win and Zito is sky high on this one and has been working like a beast down in Fl, there is now way this colt goes off worst than second choice in the range of 5/2-7/2. I just don't understand some of the track oddsmakers at time. I also have a strong Private Play going on tomorrow, if anyone is interested just send an email to fbwinners@aol.com and I will infrom you on this runner

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Holy Bull S.
1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds | G3 STAKES | Purse: $400,000
Daily Double / Exacta / Trifecta / $.10 Superfecta

# PP HORSE JOCKEY TRAINER CLAIM $ EQUIP. MED.
1 1 Gourmet Dinner
ML: 3-1 S. Madrid
120 Lbs S. Standridge - L

2 2 Major Gain
ML: 8-1 J. Castellano
120 Lbs W. Catalano - L

3 3 Printing Press
ML: 12-1 E. Trujillo
116 Lbs T. Pompay - L

4 4 Black N Beauty
ML: 6-1 K. Desormeaux
116 Lbs D. Romans - L

5 5 Ribo Bobo
ML: 15-1 E. Prado
120 Lbs M. Azpurua -

6 6 Leave of Absence
ML: 10-1 R. Maragh
116 Lbs R. Violette, Jr. - L

7 7 Mucho Macho Man
ML: 5-2 E. Coa
116 Lbs K. Ritvo - L

8 8 Sweet Ducky
ML: 8-1 J. Bravo
120 Lbs K. Breen - L

9 9 Dialed In
ML: 6-1 J. Leparoux
116 Lbs N. Zito - L

Comments

  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2011
    Hey, who's complaining?

    Not a bad ml on Black N Beauty either, btw.
  • Horsin~AroHorsin~Aro Senior Member
    edited January 2011
    I was looking at a 6,1,7 Ex Box with Leave of Absence. Possibly i will reconsider. Here is what american turf monthly has to say:



    Jan 28, 2011
    THRU THE BINOCULARS

    By: JOHN PIESEN



    TIZ THE SEASON

    It's three months and change to the Kentucky Derby, which means it's time to get started on my personal Road to the Triple Crown.

    Followers of this venue and/or the John Piesen Hot Line are aware that I've had tremendous success with my Derby picks, starting in the '80s when I nailed eight Derby winners in 11 years. The success continued up to last May when I hit the triple-digit exacta box topped by Super Saver, jockey Borel's third Derby winner in four years.

    Super Saver (remember him?) proved to be a one-shot wonder, but Calvin is still going strong at Oaklawn Park, and trainers are falling over themselves trying to get him on their Derby horses.

    Speaking of trainers, old buddy Nick Zito will be gunning for his third Derby winner with a lightly-raced colt named Dialed In, who won his lone start at Churchill Downs as a 2-year-old, circling the field from last after getting left at the gate.

    Dialed In was shipped to south Florida after that race to prepare for the Kentucky Derby. He was scheduled to make his 3-year-old debut in a Gulfstream "one-other than" last Friday. But when the track came up wet, Zito decided to scratch, and run him instead in the Holy Bull Stakes this Sunday at Gulfstream.

    Since Nick is never known to rush things, I don't expect Dialed In to be at full strength for the Holy Bull, so I advise to bet accordingly.

    The race does come up softer than expected because Boys at Toscanova, who would have been odds-on, is skipping the race. That leaves Gourmet Dinner, the Delta Jackpot winner; Mucho Macho Man, runnerup in the Nashua and Remsen, and Black N Beauty, an impressive Gulfstream allowance winner, as the ones Dialed In has to beat.

    Personally, I just want to see Dialed In finish well, and hit the board.

    It's been a long time between drinks for Zito (18 years), but the Derby is the race that Nick points for all year. He was second last year, capping our exacta. We'll see Sunday what he's got with Dialed In.

    Zito has nothing in the $500,000 Sunshine Millions Classic on Saturday at ther Gulf...and neither do other celebrity trainers Pletcher, Asmussen or Baffert. Can't remember the last time a half-mill pot failed to attract a member of the Big Three.

    The other noteworthy factor is that, althought the Sunshine Millions is hawked as a contest between Florida-breds and Kentucky-breds, all 10 horses in the SM Classic are Florida-breds.

    The race also lacks the presence of Dominguez and Gomez, who ran one-two in the voting for 2010 Eclipse Jockey. Moreover, Paco Lopez, en route to his second straight Gulf title, will be watching on TV in the jocks' room.

    Dominguez was the regular rider of SMC favorite First Dude all last year, but, Eclipse or not, he has been replaced by jockey Desmormeaux, who, maybe not so coincidentally, has won a slew of grade ones with Romans-trained stablemate Paddy O'Prado.

    First Dude has the good fortune to draw the one-hole for the nine-furlong Classic, and no doubt, at the weights, will take some catching in a race that otherwise lacks early speed over a speed-favoring track.

    At 120 pounds, First Dude will actually be getting two pounds from most of his rivals, notably Duke of Mischief, the '09 Arkansas Derby winner, and Dry Martini, the multiple New York stakes-winner who will be closing fastest and widest under jockey Castellano.

    An outsider in the Classic will be Black Hills.

    This horse is not to be confused with the Black Hills, who had the misfortune to break down on the far turn of the 1959 Belmont Stakes. The immortal Eddie Arcaro, his rider, fell face first, unconscious, into the mud, and likely would have drowned on the spot died if a rescue worker hadn't got there in time.

    Sword Dancer won that Belmont, and went on to win Horse of the Year.

    Maybe it shouldn't, but it does bother me that The Jockey Club, which is in charge of names, permits the use of Black Hills again. Racing historians, and much of the racing public, will never forget the original Black Hills.

    While on the subject of the Holy Bull, it was so sad to see that Billy Croll, the son and assistant to Jimmy Croll, who trained Holy Bull among other superstars, passed away the other day. Sorry also to see that Faustno Ramos, like the Crolls, a regular on the Jersey-Florida circuit, also passed away last week. Billy Croll and Faustino, true gentlemen and talented trainers, both were in their 60s.

    As if we didn't already know, we see, with the death of Billy Croll, how really small the racing world is.

    For the last quarter-century, the barns of Team Croll and Team Sacco have been located directly across a horse path from one another at Monmouth Park.

    I'm particualrly excited about the Sunshine Millions coming up on Saturday, with three stakes apiece at both Gulfstream and Santa Anita, plus substantial betting opportunities on the undercard. I did very well at last year's Millions, getting 5 of the 6 stakes race winners (3 straight up), 5 exactas (2 cold) and 2 trifectas. All told, it was $9,522 based on $20 bets. And I'll be ready to win again this year. Click here to learn how you can be in on it.

    Returning to Team Sacco, as the fates would have it, Gregg Sacco is just now reaching the heights of his procession, and,on Saturday, has the chance to pull off a Sunshine Millions double with a pair of Florida-breds owned by main man John Brunetti's Red Oak Stable.

    Those famous red and white silks will be flown by Feel That Fire in the $200,000 Filly and Mare Sprint, and by Unbridled Essemce in the $300,000 Filly and Mare Turf.

    Feel That Fire's name should be familiar to followers of the JP Hot Line.

    Back on Jan. 7, the Hot Line released Feel That Fire, who went on to wire her allowance field at $9.60. The HL also nailed the exacta and trifecta cold in that race.

    Feel That Fire, two-for-three lifetime, will be making her stakes debut in the Millions, but she's got a perfect outside post in the field of 11 going three-quarters, and a hot rider in Trujillo.

    "This filly has a world of talent," says Sacco. "I usually don't have them cranked up all the way in their first starts back, so I hope she would continue to improve. She's training super, and is right on target for Saturday."

    Amen Hallelujah and Jessica Is Back, both multiple stakes-winners, have a huge experience edge on Feel That Fire, and both will be at home over their preverred speed-favoring strip.

    An outsider to watch is the lightly-raced Belle of the Hall from West Point Thoroughbreds, which traditionally light up the board on Gulfstream weekends.

    Your best friend in this race well may be the exacta box and trifecta box.

    Unbridled Essence, Sacco's other Sunshine Millions goodie, won the Matchmaker Stakes last July at 44-1, but hasn't raced since early September when she went unplaced in the Revidere over the same track.

    "Coming off that kind of a layoff is always a question markj," says Sacco. "She's had some foot issues, but seems to be over them now, and is training as well as I could hope for."

    Maybe Unbridled Essence can get as lucky as she got in the Matchmaker when the favoirite was eliminated at the break.

    She certainly has the right jock (Paco Lopez), and right post (three in a field of 14).

    Again, these two filly/mare races are wide-open, as are all six Millions races.

    As a final note, Soldat, the 11-length winner of that Jan. 7 allowance, will await the Fountain of Youth, but Printing Press, the runnerup in that race, may be a factor for trainer Terri Pompay in the Holy Bull.

    Gulfstream incidentlally came up with a new gimmick -- a $5.5 million bonus to the connections of a horse who wins the Holy Bull, Florida Derby and Preakness, all of which happen to be run at Stronach tracks.

    Shades of Smarty Jones, who got a $10 million bonus in 2004 for sweeping, the Arkansas Derby, Kentucky Derby and Preakness.

    Thanks for tuning in.
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2011
    fbwinners wrote: »
    This is the absolute worst ml line I have ever seen in my life, the track handicapper has made Dialed In 6-1 on the ml, this is one of the most talked about horses out there in his Churchill win and Zito is sky high on this one and has been working like a beast down in Fl, there is now way this colt goes off worst than second choice in the range of 5/2-7/2. I just don't understand some of the track oddsmakers at time. I also have a strong Private Play going on tomorrow, if anyone is interested just send an email to fbwinners@aol.com and I will infrom you on this runner

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    Holy Bull S.
    1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds | G3 STAKES | Purse: $400,000
    Daily Double / Exacta / Trifecta / $.10 Superfecta

    # PP HORSE JOCKEY TRAINER CLAIM $ EQUIP. MED.
    1 1 Gourmet Dinner
    ML: 3-1 S. Madrid
    120 Lbs S. Standridge - L

    2 2 Major Gain
    ML: 8-1 J. Castellano
    120 Lbs W. Catalano - L

    3 3 Printing Press
    ML: 12-1 E. Trujillo
    116 Lbs T. Pompay - L

    4 4 Black N Beauty
    ML: 6-1 K. Desormeaux
    116 Lbs D. Romans - L

    5 5 Ribo Bobo
    ML: 15-1 E. Prado
    120 Lbs M. Azpurua -

    6 6 Leave of Absence
    ML: 10-1 R. Maragh
    116 Lbs R. Violette, Jr. - L

    7 7 Mucho Macho Man
    ML: 5-2 E. Coa
    116 Lbs K. Ritvo - L

    8 8 Sweet Ducky
    ML: 8-1 J. Bravo
    120 Lbs K. Breen - L

    9 9 Dialed In
    ML: 6-1 J. Leparoux
    116 Lbs N. Zito - L
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    He goes off at 5/2 only .30 cents from being the favorite, he wins super impressive as his final mile time is the fastest at the meet and is faster than Soaring Empire and Apriority. The latter came back yesterday and almost ran down Coast of Freedom in one of the stakes races on the Sunshine Millions card and the Sunshine Millions winner yesterday ran a 1:36.3 mile in his race. This final time is pretty impressive in the way he did it.
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2011
    Huge effort by the horse, he did everything i expected and probably even exceeded expectations a little bit. I was a bit surprised that he took so far back off the pace, i thought he'd be a little bit closer today. But i guess they knew what they were doing.

    As far as Derby futures go, get ready for 10/1 on a horse that still hasn't been around two turns yet.
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2011
    Well we have now two top contenders that have won over the CH strip (Uncle Mo & Dialed In) and the best is yet to come as we the Brethren and others coming in a few weeks. If we can keep these 3yo sound we will have one interesting derby this coming year. Just think if Uncle Mo, Dialed In, Bretren, To Honor and Serve, The Factor and others make it to the starting gate this coming 1st Saturday in May. Dialed In 1st two races are just has impressive as Uncle Mo's.
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2011
    CONNECTIONS QUOTES

    Winning trainer Nick Zito: “He’s very special. I’ve never had a horse do this -- go from a maiden special race to jump up and win a race like the Holy Bull. I wasn’t that surprised that he was so far back early. I had a good feeling and confidence in Julien to let him be in the right place and then get into the mix. I just wanted him to get out (of the gate) clear and settle. I’m not sure what will be next. The idea is just to get him (to the Kentucky Derby).”

    Winning owner Robert LaPenta: “There’s a long way to go, but this certainly puts him on the (Derby Trail). Nick did an incredible job training this horse up to this race, getting him ready and not rushing him. This had to be one of Nick’s best training jobs.”

    Winning jockey Julien Leparoux: “Actually I did expect to be that far back. Nick told me just to leave him alone and drop to the rail and that’s what I did. He said just to be patient. When I asked him, he really ran on well. This is obviously a very nice horse.”

    Joe Bravo (aboard Sweet Ducky): “You know with this horse is, he doesn’t win, he’s going to give you 110%. Kelly Breen has done a great job with this horse, and he ran a great race today. This was the best race of his life. We weren’t going to beat the winner today. They paid half a million for him for a reason. Hats off to Nick Zito.”

    Eibar Coa (aboard Mucho Macho Man): “He was a little sharp today. He’s been working sharp and came out a little sharp. Breaking from the outside, I didn’t really have a place to cover him up, so he went a little too fast too soon. I was never able to get him to relax. At a one turn mile, that happens sometimes. I think he would have relaxed if it was two turns. He’ll be OK.”
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2011
    fbwinners wrote: »
    Well we have now two top contenders that have won over the CH strip (Uncle Mo & Dialed In) and the best is yet to come as we the Brethren and others coming in a few weeks. If we can keep these 3yo sound we will have one interesting derby this coming year. Just think if Uncle Mo, Dialed In, Bretren, To Honor and Serve, The Factor and others make it to the starting gate this coming 1st Saturday in May. Dialed In 1st two races are just has impressive as Uncle Mo's.

    Brethren has won @ Churchill also. Regarding Dialed In's first two starts being as impressive as Uncle Mo's, i don't know. It's pretty close, i guess. Very different though, kind of like apples and oranges. I would definitely say that Dialed In has overcome far more adversity than Uncle Mo has had to, and although he's yet to win around two turns, he perhaps looks more suited to type of racing than Uncle Mo.

    Whatever the case, it's doubtful that they'll square off before the Derby, assuming that both horses even get there in the first place. It's still a long way off. Incidentally, it looks like Zito got lucky with that rainstorm last week, because if Dialed In had run in that allowance race like he was originally intended to, he'd still be sitting here with zero graded earnings. Today's win gives him a head-start towards accumulating the $$$ he'll need to get in.
  • rayphilrayphil Senior Member
    edited January 2011
    cat i just read about dialed in that he hopped a little at the start and was just taken back but he looked like he was just getting started own the lane....i would skip the florida derby though...i would just go to the wood...
  • cinfrontcinfront Senior Member
    edited January 2011
    To get him more seasoned, I'd go in The Fountain Of Youth then, face off with Uncle Mo, The Tampa Bay Derby. Which is one month after the FOY and on my way to The Derby. Does he have to win at Tampa? No, just get a taste of the real comp. before The Derby.
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2011
    It seems like getting a young horse some experience is the last thing on a lot of trainer's minds. Pretty messed up considering the 20-horse mad-scramble that the Derby is. It seems like they're more interested in simply getting there than they are in winning it, in a lot of cases.
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