Derby Types: A look ahead, and future wagers

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  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    SHAKIN IT UP - for BAFFERT


    I love the looks of this one, always have. Was absolutely flattered by Caballo de Ciello, and is only gonna get better longer IMO.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken, he broke through the gate. Either way, should crush these types.

    Did we clear this up? I missed the race, but It wasn't in the replay. Did it happen?
  • MikenyceMikenyce Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    IM watching 3 horses as of now.

    Violence
    Dewey Square
    Noble Tune
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    Did we clear this up? I missed the race, but It wasn't in the replay. Did it happen?

    He did, yes.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    He did, yes.

    Let's give him one more then, but a 3 time maiden often becomes a 4 time maiden.
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2013
    Any new word on Palace Malice, John? Looking forward to seeing him back in action... :eating:
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    Any new word on Palace Malice, John? Looking forward to seeing him back in action... :eating:

    Last we heard he was teasing Shanghai Bobby @ Palm Meadows
  • John GreenhawJohn Greenhaw Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    See post on Shanghai Bobby overrated. Palace Malice will have an easy breeze Sunday morning and is entered on the 19th--Javier Castellano named to ride. Looking for a placed effort and then on to the Fountain Of Youth. Expectations very high--keeping our fingers crossed!
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    See post on Shanghai Bobby overrated. Palace Malice will have an easy breeze Sunday morning and is entered on the 19th--Javier Castellano named to ride. Looking for a placed effort and then on to the Fountain Of Youth. Expectations very high--keeping our fingers crossed!


    Good Luck JG with this young colt. Looking forward to seeing you all at Oaklawn in the spring.
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2013
    See post on Shanghai Bobby overrated. Palace Malice will have an easy breeze Sunday morning and is entered on the 19th--Javier Castellano named to ride. Looking for a placed effort and then on to the Fountain Of Youth. Expectations very high--keeping our fingers crossed!

    Perfect, thanks (and good luck!)
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2013
    Nice effort by Demonic @ Santa Anita yesterday. He's currently unlisted, but i'm sure that'll change when the sheets are updated.
  • John GreenhawJohn Greenhaw Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    DC---I made a few comments about the Sadler firster---under Dirty's thread about the Flores boys. I'm just not sure that Demonic will be a serious player against others with more experience? But, one to watch develop for sure!
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    fbwinners wrote: »
    Mentor Cance worked like a beast today and they could barely pull him up on the gallop up per my source. Dirty see what Andy Harrington states. He is a big play next time out.

    Andy is so fucking good. Very genuine too. Here's his pre-race comments on Demonic (if you were offered 300-1 you would snatch it up fast):

    DEMONIC Jan 4 SA 6 1:12H M FT B+
    Monster move here breaking 1 back from Ubelongtomemissy let that one draw 6 clear at the 1/4 pole in 25.3, 48.0 then finished up with a tidal wave rush in 111.3 (23.3 LQ) (46.1 L4f), reaching big time late. Gorgeous mover feels like a Derby type.---Grade: B+


    I guess you didn't have to be a genius when you saw him on the track, but still it was a huge race IMO for a strider like that.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    Another note here, Flashback was working in company (although looking slightly the best) with an unraced colt named Battled.

    Battled got trounced again, but I suspect it was a very good group.
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    Andy is so fucking good. Very genuine too. Here's his pre-race comments on Demonic (if you were offered 300-1 you would snatch it up fast):

    DEMONIC Jan 4 SA 6 1:12H M FT B+
    Monster move here breaking 1 back from Ubelongtomemissy let that one draw 6 clear at the 1/4 pole in 25.3, 48.0 then finished up with a tidal wave rush in 111.3 (23.3 LQ) (46.1 L4f), reaching big time late. Gorgeous mover feels like a Derby type.---Grade: B+


    I guess you didn't have to be a genius when you saw him on the track, but still it was a huge race IMO for a strider like that.


    This is what I had on him.



    Demonic

    Jan 4 SA h 1:12s 6f:~Demonic been working with four year old filly Ubelongtomemissy, a winner from Florida formerly trained by Bill White. Demonic ran her
    down and beat her by five or more. LQQKS READY.

    Dec 28 SA h 1:12s 6f:~looked real good here and finished well with a decent workmate for Sadler. Showed good blend of speed and turn of foot. Acts like a
    good one so far and has the signature Sadler moves for success first out.

    Dec 21 SA h 1:13.4s 6f:~First of a set of key six furlong drills for Sadler. Went even here and finished well in hand with workmate for John. KEY

    Dec 14 SA h 59.6s 5f:~Demonic made short work of 3yo Ubelongtomemissy, who is a winner
    and has speed. Won this drill in hand. FQLLQW.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    Battled got trounced again, but I suspect it was a very good group.

    Including Delmar Sunset, who got this pre-race notation (and then raced 3 wide all the way to miss a neck in the end)

    DEL MAR SUNSET Jan 6 HOL 5 1:00.2H M FT B-
    Late runner worked willingly while asked out with Governor Charlie in 23.2, 47.3, 59.4. Steady type mover.---Grade: B-


    I'm not sure Governor Charlie has raced yet, has he? Either way, Baffert will have 2 or 3 in there.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    fbwinners wrote: »
    This is what I had on him.



    Demonic

    Jan 4 SA h 1:12s 6f:~Demonic been working with four year old filly Ubelongtomemissy, a winner from Florida formerly trained by Bill White. Demonic ran her
    down and beat her by five or more. LQQKS READY.

    Dec 28 SA h 1:12s 6f:~looked real good here and finished well with a decent workmate for Sadler. Showed good blend of speed and turn of foot. Acts like a
    good one so far and has the signature Sadler moves for success first out.

    Dec 21 SA h 1:13.4s 6f:~First of a set of key six furlong drills for Sadler. Went even here and finished well in hand with workmate for John. KEY

    Dec 14 SA h 59.6s 5f:~Demonic made short work of 3yo Ubelongtomemissy, who is a winner
    and has speed. Won this drill in hand. FQLLQW.


    Great info, word was out at 6-5, right? Were you on anybody FB? I was on the Stevens nag and Demonic in the P5. Didn't matter.
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2013
    Felt like taking a small shot with the Pletcher maiden winner Verrazano, who was listed @ 80/1 at Lucky's on the curent sheet (he had been unlisted on the previous sheet). Went down there last night, after first checking at the Wynn to make sure there wasn't a better price available. Wynn had him listed @ 35/1, so said okay i'll take the 80/1. After getting down there and going up to the window, i'm quoted what price? You guessed it, 35/1. This copying has gotten ridiculous.

    Btw, that's 35/1 to win the Kentucky Derby (at 1 1/4 miles, and still 3 months away) on a horse with ONE career start, sprinting vs. maidens. Even 80/1 was probably taking the worst of it, nice as the horse is (and i think he's pretty nice). Just frustrating, and of course i didn't take it. Screw that. Did throw a few bucks on Demonic @ 75/1 though. Saw a quote from Sadler the other day saying that he expects "big improvement" when the horses goes two turns. Let's hope.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited January 2013
    Shanghai Bobby was a play against today. I mean, getting out-worked by Palice Malice, being off, a female jockey, growing up, Pletcher's comments about aiming for the Preakness (WTF?), and opening at EVEN money (not 1/9), but I thought he still ran a hell of a race.

    Another interesting note: The P3 Kauai Katie/ALL/2,4,7 (The three horses I thought could beat Bobby) had a $60 dollar winner in the second leg and only paid $260 for a buck. I had it many times, but the pool was big enough that I didn't affect it IMO. Curious if everybody else had the same idea?
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    Including Delmar Sunset, who got this pre-race notation (and then raced 3 wide all the way to miss a neck in the end)

    DEL MAR SUNSET Jan 6 HOL 5 1:00.2H M FT B-
    Late runner worked willingly while asked out with Governor Charlie in 23.2, 47.3, 59.4. Steady type mover.---Grade: B-


    I'm not sure Governor Charlie has raced yet, has he? Either way, Baffert will have 2 or 3 in there.

    LOL. Great post here. We all know about Governor Charlie now. Here's a tidbit from Flashback's latest work:

    On Monday here at Santa Anita, Flashback had his final drill for the $750,000 Santa Anita Derby. Working alongside fellow Bob Baffert trainee Del Mar Sunset, Flashback was officially credited with a half-mile in 48 seconds, though he broke off at the 4 1/2-furlong pole and continued out well past the wire with Martin Garcia aboard. Regardless, Flashback was well within himself, but Del Mar Sunset, a maiden, surely held his own.

    Tab this one for a monster effort at odds-on.


    Guess I was right about how tough the race was. One of the top 5 key maiden races at the meet. Footbridge has been in two of the others, there's a sneaky horse coming from one of his races tomorrow.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    This weekend:

    and the comebacking Power Broker, with Rafael Bejarano.


    This come-backer gets tossed in deep company, but he's recently outworked the older Liaison, who not only is a good older horse, but won his comeback very well. Shot @ bigger price.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    LOL. Great post here. We all know about Governor Charlie now. Here's a tidbit from Flashback's latest work:

    On Monday here at Santa Anita, Flashback had his final drill for the $750,000 Santa Anita Derby. Working alongside fellow Bob Baffert trainee Del Mar Sunset, Flashback was officially credited with a half-mile in 48 seconds, though he broke off at the 4 1/2-furlong pole and continued out well past the wire with Martin Garcia aboard. Regardless, Flashback was well within himself, but Del Mar Sunset, a maiden, surely held his own.

    Tab this one for a monster effort at odds-on.


    Guess I was right about how tough the race was. One of the top 5 key maiden races at the meet. Footbridge has been in two of the others, there's a sneaky horse coming from one of his races tomorrow.

    The horse is Chief Havoc in the first. He's a short price, and only figures to take more action. Oh well, we tried.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    The horse is Chief Havoc in the first. He's a short price, and only figures to take more action. Oh well, we tried.

    6/5 a gift. Expected 2/5.
  • dirtyshirtdirtyshirt Senior Member
    edited April 2013
    dirtyshirt wrote: »
    The horse is Chief Havoc in the first. He's a short price, and only figures to take more action. Oh well, we tried.

    God, if I was the connections, I would ship straight to Keeneland and try back in a week and a half. It was only a jog today.
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