Vegas to lose the Santa Anita, Gulfstream, and Fair Grounds signals?

DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
edited January 2009 in Horse Racing Forum
from Daily Racing Form:

Las Vegas casinos are facing the loss of all signals from the tracks owned by Magna Entertainment Corp. and Churchill Downs Inc. as of Monday unless the two sides can come to agreement on a handful of stubborn financial issues.

The Jan. 26 deadline was set three weeks ago when TrackNet, a simulcast-marketing company owned by Magna and Churchill, granted the casinos an extension on an expired contract so as not to disrupt the National Handicapping Championship, an event sponsored by Daily Racing Form and the National Thoroughbred Racing Association which is held annually in Las Vegas. The tournament, held this year at the Red Rock Casino Resort, begins on Friday and runs through Saturday.

Scott Daruty, the chief executive of TrackNet, said this week that negotiations on a new contract have "gone backward" since the extension was granted. If negotiations are not successful by Sunday night, Vegas casinos will lose the signals from three of the most popular winter racetracks: Gulfstream and Santa Anita, which are owned by Magna, and Fair Grounds, which is owned by Churchill.

TrackNet and other simulcast sellers have argued for years that Las Vegas casinos pay below-market rates for horse racing signals. In addition, the sellers have begun to object to paying the casinos' costs to conduct simulcasting, an arrangement that sellers say is unique to Las Vegas.

Though racing officials would not confirm the rate paid by the casinos, it is believed to be at or under 3 percent of handle. The casinos, which retain the difference between that rate and the takeout - or approximately 17 percent of each wager - have been able to pay such low rates because of the size of the local market, but racing officials now contend that handle in Las Vegas has shrunk to the point where a higher rate is warranted.

Ten years ago, handle through Las Vegas casinos accounted for approximately 10 percent of the national total. That share has dwindled to approximately 4 percent now, according to Daruty.

"If I'm a big bettor, I can walk into the Bellagio and get comps, free drinks, food, a free room," said Daruty. "But if I stop betting big, and I haven't been to Vegas in three years, and I say, 'Remember me? I'd like my comps back,' they're going to tell me to get lost. It's the same situation here. I'm not underplaying Las Vegas, they are a very critical customer, but they used to be a huge, huge market for us, and now they're not."

Officials of the Nevada Pari-Mutuel Association, which negotiates simulcasting contracts on behalf of more than 80 casinos, did not return repeated phone calls this week.

An official in Las Vegas involved in simulcasting said that he was "not surprised" that TrackNet was taking a hard line with the casinos. The official, whose company would lose money in the event of a blackout, spoke on the condition of anonymity.

"It's the clash of the titans," said the official. "The casinos have leverage from the buying side, and TrackNet, for the first time, has similar leverage on the selling side. I'm surprised it took this long."

TrackNet was formed to put upward pressure on signal rates by combining the properties of Magna and Churchill, which together own 14 racetracks. Over the past two years, the company has sparred with horsemen's groups and pushed for higher rates from offtrack betting sites that are not affiliated with racetracks.

The casinos' position is strengthened because Nevada allows the racebooks to book horse racing bets. So, even if the contract negotiations fail, the racebooks could continue to offer wagering on the Magna and Churchill tracks, although TrackNet is prepared to cut off all access to its racing signals and the data associated with the races. In addition, booking bets creates problems for handicappers, because racebooks have typically put limits on payouts on exotic wagers and do not offer superexotics like the pick six.

The rate that the casinos pay is only part of the negotiations. According to officials, the race books do not pay a host of fees associated with simulcasting, including subscription rates for racing signals (in the racing industry, the subscription rates are called "decoder fees"), nor do they pay bet-processing fees to totalizator companies. Instead, the tracks pick up the subscription fees, and the bet-processing companies provide their services without payment, even though those costs are almost certainly passed along to other racetracks in the form of higher rates.

Daruty said that the negotiations are also hung up on whether race books are adequately providing information on the source of their handle. Account-wagering is now legal in Nevada, and Daruty said Magna and Churchill want to be protected if racebooks begin to operate account-wagering platforms in competition with Magna's and Churchill's account-wagering companies.

In all likelihood, some of these issues are being raised by TrackNet in order to have bargaining chips during the negotiations. Daruty acknowledged that the primary issue is "economics," and said that the situation could be resolved with an increase in the base rate the casinos pay.

"With the right rate for the casinos, we'd be willing to let account-wagering go at the same rate," Daruty said.

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  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2009
    from Bloodhorse:

    Despite comments from TrackNet Media Group that negotiations are "going backwards" over issues involving racing signals to Nevada racebooks, the player on the other side of the table offered guarded hope matters can be resolved before a Jan. 25 cut-off deadline.

    TrackNet, which negotiates content agreements for tracks owned by Churchill Downs Inc. and Magna Entertainment Corp., earlier this month said it would cut off track signals to more than 80 casino racebooks unless new agreements are met with the Nevada Pari-Mutuel Association.

    As the original Jan. 7 cutoff date approached, the two groups agreed to an extension through Jan. 25, which, in part, would cover signals used in the 10th DRF/NTRA National Handicapping Championship. The tournament is scheduled to take place Jan. 23-24 at Red Rock Casino in Las Vegas

    “We are still talking, but we don’t have a deal,” said Scott Daruty, president and chief executive officer for TrackNet. “I can tell you this: There won’t be another extension.”

    NPMA executive director Patty Jones said she couldn’t talk much about the negotiations, citing their ongoing nature against a deadline, but offered a glimmer of hope.

    “We’re not dead yet,” she told The Blood-Horse Jan. 23. “We met with Scott Daruty this morning. That we’re still talking in itself I think is still favorable.”

    Daruty also didn’t want to get into the specifics of the negotiations, but said in his mind, recent overall progress had been reversed.

    “I’m certainly disappointed that we are going backwards on issues on which we had previously made progress,” he said. “Our perception is that there are things agreed to early in the process that they have changed their position on.”

    On the table from TrackNet were requests of higher fees from racebooks on racing signals, as well as other issues, including how handle is reported to the content company.

    Separately, Daruty also said there was no resolution to a hub-fee dispute with the Thoroughbred Owners of California that has resulted in signals from that state being cut off to certain racetracks and other facilities owned by Churchill Downs Inc.

    “The Churchill tracks are still cut off by the TOC,” Daruty said. “I still fail to see the connection to the issues they are complaining about, and cutting off the signals.”

    TOC president Drew Couto did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
  • joejoejoejoe Junior Member
    edited January 2009
    any free selections today? thanks
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2009
    No, i only have one play today.
  • joejoejoejoe Junior Member
    edited January 2009
    thank you for reply,i understand
  • edited January 2009
    I read that online the other day myself cat..I only have this to say let them do that for a couple of days or weeks and they will regret it for a year.THE reason i say that is when the horseman at calder held out and bitched and wouldnt allow there signal out for the first three months of there meet they got killed....they lost purses-stake cancellations etc...the handle was a serious blow to management.....frank stronach-magna is killing racing and his monopoly of the game im sick of his shit..let them cut nevada racebooks off and watch what happens 38 year horse player.......
  • DUNCODUNCO Banned
    edited January 2009
    As Much As Don't Like The Idea Of A Monopoly Magna Does Put On The Best Show I Was Supprised That The Sunshine Mill It Wasn't Picked Up By Major Network Like Last Year, You Can Make Your Picks And Sit Back Races Every 15 Min Great Show I Given Up On Ny Racing. Let Magna Run It,nyra Sure As Hell Can't.
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited January 2009
    The problem with the racetracks in this country is that they take the horseplayers for granted. They seem more concerned with taking everyone for their last nickel rather than improving their product and/or their services, and making them more attractive to the horseplayer, who in turn would then boost handle by playing races at those particular tracks.

    For instance, it's the Track Net people that have caused this recent problem with the CalRacing video player. Not only do they withhold replays from any Churchill Downs-owned track, the races themselves don't even show up in the video player database anymore. So, for instance, if you looked up Free Country or Danger to Society or Captain Cherokee in the video player, you would get no results, as if these horses were unraced.

    That, in turn, makes it less likely that someone will bet any of these horses in their next race (likely at a Churchill Downs-owned track), because now they might not have as much information as they would like. Perhaps they might see something in the replay that prompts them to bet the horse next time out, right? But instead, they're worried about how much they can charge CalRacing for the replays (or whatever the problem is) , so we the customers end up getting screwed, as usual.

    Now they're willing to alienate what few customers they have left, while at the same time pointing out that Nevada handle is down sharply from past levels. Gee, why do you think that is? Well, who cares, let's try to get more money out of the casinos to make up the difference. That's their stance, apparently.
  • DUNCODUNCO Banned
    edited January 2009
    i remember a movie "THE STING" GOOD POST:CAT MAN:x-cheesy:
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