Barbaro's brother (Nicanor) to race on Saturday

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edited March 2009 in Horse Racing Forum
He's entered in Race 8 @ Gulfstream, going one mile. He's also listed @ 4/1 on the morning line, for a trainer who has won with only one first-time starter since the summer of 2007.

Think this horse will be an underlay? LOL.

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  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    I love Dubinsky in this one and will get a fair price on him now, thanks Matz.



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  • cinfrontcinfront Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    I'll be going with Big Flirt.
  • peacerulespeacerules Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    I Think He Scratches And Runs On Turf U Heard It Here First.i Really Like Albertus Maximus In The Donn Think He Gets A Great Trip.
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    Family trees rarely bloom twice
    By Jay Hovdey

    The racing debut of Roy and Gretchen Jackson's 3-year-old colt Nicanor on Saturday at Gulfstream Park is easily the most anticipated arrival of a full brother since Zeppo Marx replaced Gummo in the family's vaudeville act 91 years ago.

    At least, this is what an unsuspecting sports world is being led to believe, as if the next savior has arrived, and hearts will once again soar. The public relations pressure being put on this innocent colt to make the same kind of headlines as brother Barbaro is both misplaced and mildly amusing. Someone forgot to crack the history books.

    And other sources as well. In all discussions pertaining to the repetition of transcendent quality in full Thoroughbred siblings, I always turn to the wisdom of Ron McAnally's former barn foreman, the late Aureliano "Cuba" Baez, who played professional baseball and jai alai and could flip quarters like nobody's business. His nickname was pronounced "kooba."

    When informed that a new horse in the barn was a full brother to an accomplished stakes winner, Cuba snorted.

    "I got a dozen full brothers back in Havana," he said. "Not one of them is worth a damn."

    Thus endeth the lesson.

    Nicanor could turn out to be a decent colt, perhaps even a stakes winner, which would be great. The game could use the positive vibe. But for Nicanor to become another Barbaro - the unbeaten Kentucky Derby-winning Barbaro, not the martyred Barbaro - he would need to rise to a very high bar of full-brother achievement. We're not talking Billy and Jimmy Carter here. More like the Baldwins.

    The fact that identical matings produced wildly different results flies rudely in the face of the idea that Thoroughbred breeding is a selected, quasi-scientific process. After all, thousands of hours and consultancy dollars are spent on mixing and matching sires and dams. Why wouldn't what's worked before automatically work again, especially in the best of the breed?

    "I don't think there's any magic to it," said Mack Miller, who trained Kentucky Derby winner Sea Hero and bred Kentucky Oaks winner Lite Light. "That's just the luck of the game. Sometimes, you just experiment. Sea Hero's dam threw nothing but good horses, but it was amazing he could even run. He was by a well-bred but very ordinary sire" - Polish Navy - "a real one-shot thing, and they never sent the mare back to him."

    There was only one Man o' War, but it wasn't for lack of trying. Big Red had two full brothers and two full sisters, but the only one of consequence was My Play, winner of the Jockey Club Gold Cup - just like his older brother.

    The Haste mare Quickly had five foals, four by the stallion Reigh Count. One of them was Count Fleet, the others were not.

    Alfred Vanderbilt tried five times to replicate Native Dancer through full brothers and sisters. Two were unraced and the other three won 2 of 48 starts.

    Bold Ruler, the 1957 Horse of the Year, had an older full brother named Independence who went into another line of work and ended up winning the 1961 American Grand National Steeplechase. Their full brother and three full sisters did considerably less.

    So it goes, down through the ages. Secretariat, Bold Ruler's most famous son, already had two older full sisters in the mix by the time he came along. Neither one stopped the presses.

    Affirmed had a full sister who never raced and a full brother, named Silent Fox, who tried hard but could only manage to finish third in the Charles H. Strub Stakes. Five years earlier, Affirmed won the same event by 10 lengths, along with a second title as Horse of the Year.

    Iron Reward was a remarkable mare. Next month, she is being inducted into the California Thoroughbred Breeders' Association Hall of Fame. Of her 11 foals, eight were by Khaled, including stakes winners Like Magic and The Shoe, stakes-placed Molly Maid, and the 1956 Horse of the Year, Swaps. Close, but no cigar.

    Cigar had no full sisters or full brothers. Neither did Kelso, Buckpasser, Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid, John Henry, Ack Ack, Genuine Risk, or Ruffian. Why try? Nashua had one full sister, named Stavroula, who never raced. Damascus had one lonely full brother who didn't even get a name and a full sister who won four times. Her name was Arlene Francis.

    Round Table had one full sister, named Monarchy, who won the Arlington-Washington Lassie. Foredate, Forego's full sister, never started. Dr. Fager's lone full brother was Highlander, who hit the board in races like the Vosburgh and the Withers and won 9 of 29, but could never begin to follow in the good doctor's footsteps.

    "He could run a little, but of course he was a disappointment to us," said John Nerud, who bred and trained them both for William McKnight. "He didn't have the spark like his brother.

    "It seldom happens, though," Nerud added. "The greatest trainer of all, who taught me how to train horses, was Ben Jones. People would come up to him and say, 'This is a full brother to so-and-so.' He'd say, 'John L. Sullivan's mother had seven sons, and only one John L.' "

    Sounds familiar. And for the record, Citation, the best Ben Jones ever trained, had a full sister and a full brother who never raced, while another full brother won 3 of 9 starts. His name was Unbelievable.
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    peacerules wrote: »
    I Think He Scratches And Runs On Turf U Heard It Here First.i Really Like Albertus Maximus In The Donn Think He Gets A Great Trip.



    Have been told this is a race to see if he can get the extra distance and if so on his way to Dubai for Albertus Maximus beware, for the big dance. Matz has stated all week might run on turf instead.



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  • peacerulespeacerules Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    Thanks Fb I Dont Think He Will Have A Problem With The Distance I Just Like The Way The Race Sets Up A Where He Is Drawn.not Much Pace In The Race Think He Can Taks Adv If He Wants To Thanks For Info.
  • fbwinnersfbwinners Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    peacerules wrote: »
    Thanks Fb I Dont Think He Will Have A Problem With The Distance I Just Like The Way The Race Sets Up A Where He Is Drawn.not Much Pace In The Race Think He Can Taks Adv If He Wants To Thanks For Info.



    “We’re asking him to run longer and on dirt,” said Neal McLaughlin, assistant to his brother Kiaran and a key member of the team that guided Invasor to Donn and Dubai World Cup (G1) victories in 2007. “Those will be difficult questions for him, but we’re hoping he can step forward to the World Cup with a good race here.”

    Albertus Maximus has not raced on dirt since his second and third career starts in 2007 before Santa Anita switched to a synthetic surface.

    “He’s proved a mile is his best distance and he’s proved to be very good on the ‘Poly,’” said McLaughlin. “There are a couple things he needs to try and prove. He has run well on dirt in the past and he’s training on it very well here.”
  • 2W2P2S2W2P2S Senior Member
    edited January 2009
    cinfront wrote: »
    I'll be going with Big Flirt.

    Me likes your chances.
    He'll just be running w/ a big hole in his face. Hopefully won't bother him.
  • rayphilrayphil Senior Member
    edited March 2009
    well guys it is round 2 at gulfstream the 8th race......he worked 4f in 48.4 on the 3rd......probably will get over bet again......
  • DiscreetCatDiscreetCat Moderator
    edited March 2009
    Thanks for the heads-up.
  • rayphilrayphil Senior Member
    edited March 2009
    heres the article:


    Nicanor entered to run Saturday


    Thoroughbred Times 3/4/2009 ShareThis



    Nicanor, a full brother to ill-fated 2006 Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (G1) winner Barbaro, will make his second career start on Saturday at Gulfstream Park.

    The seven-furlong maiden special weight race on the main track is slated as the eighth race on the card.

    Trained by Michael Matz for Roy and Gretchen Jackson's Lael Stables, the 3-year-old Dynaformer colt finished 10th of 12 horses in his career debut on January 31 at Gulfstream.

    Nicanor worked four furlongs in :48.40 handily on March 3 at Palm Meadows Training Center. The move ranked 14th of 47 timed moves at the distance.
  • rayphilrayphil Senior Member
    edited March 2009
    Well He Ran A Lot Better This Go Round. He Went To The Lead Got Collared On Far Turn And Was Game The Whole Stretch And Held 2nd.....8-1 Wont Get That Next Time.....
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