Mountaineer Race 10

cabster13

Tell me there isn't horse race fixing going on all the time.

Race 10 the #5 at 24-1 wires the field by 7 lengths with no one ever getting closer then 5 lengths. No way my friends......... muddy track and fishy race......very fishy race!!

MrExacta

Yep, those third world tracks (Penn National being the worst) are full of that sort of thing. Our local track does it all the time, it's just such a small bush track that no one cares. When really long prices come in, there is always a 5 minute or more delay before the prices come up, but when it's a favorite, the race is official almost immediately after the horses cross the line.

My wife and I were sitting next to a guy at our local track that hit a trifecta with a 20+-1 shot with a couple 10-1 or 15-1 horses behind him in a 10 horse field. We had plenty of time to discuss his possible huge payout, or possibility that he took the whole pool (having the only ticket) because of the long wait for the race to go official, and his $2 trifecta paid $216.00.

Check out this result from a recent day of racing at my local track. What a great Exacta to have.



I am convinced that the Pacific Classic today was rigged, or someone knew that either one of the top two horses were going to be there. It's too small of an exacta ($177) for a $50 horse winning in a huge field like that with another medium price horse in 2nd. $16,000 difference between the Trifecta and Superfecta? The Six Sense of Humor exacta in yesterday's 3rd race paid more and he was half the price at $25 and the field was 5 horses smaller. Explain that.

MrExacta -`

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MrExacta wrote: »

Yep, those third world tracks (Penn National being the worst) are full of that sort of thing. Our local track does it all the time, it's just such a small bush track that no one cares. When really long prices come in, there is always a 5 minute or more delay before the prices come up, but when it's a favorite, the race is official almost immediately after the horses cross the line.

My wife and I were sitting next to a guy at our local track that hit a trifecta with a 20+-1 shot with a couple 10-1 or 15-1 horses behind him in a 10 horse field. We had plenty of time to discuss his possible huge payout, or possibility that he took the whole pool (having the only ticket) because of the long wait for the race to go official, and his $2 trifecta paid $216.00.

Check out this result from a recent day of racing at my local track. What a great Exacta to have.



I am convinced that the Pacific Classic today was rigged, or someone knew that either one of the top two horses were going to be there. It's too small of an exacta ($177) for a $50 horse winning in a huge field like that with another medium price horse in 2nd. $16,000 difference between the Trifecta and Superfecta? The Six Sense of Humor exacta in yesterday's 3rd race paid more and he was half the price at $25 and the field was 5 horses smaller. Explain that.

MrExacta -`

Hey guys, just wanted to respond to your postings from last night. While I understand your frustration with the idea that races are fixed, especially at small tracks, I think handicappers tend to rely too much on that theory and it starts to cloud their opinions.

Using your example from Mountaineer last night, you percieved a 25-1 shot wire the field by seven lengths with no opposition on a muddy track, assuming the track should be tiring to speeds.

What I saw is a 25-1 horse with lone speed that could not get the lead last time out from horses that were much quicker and had no ability to rate. Now against easier competition the 25-1 shot in question was definately going to get the lead on a track where 7 out of 10 winners lead at first call and went onto win, clearly a speed bias track. A muddy track plays as a sloppy track at Mountaineer, where speeds excel in these conditions, they not compromised, like some other tracks. Also, I might like to add Lu's Choice having all these advantages: lone speed, loose lead, speed favoring track, rider upgrade, recent hot trainer also came out a key race where where there were 2 next out winners, 1 second and 2 third. Well, I guess now that makes 3 next out winners. Racing is a game of perception, try to see what no one else sees and you will be successful. Any questions reply back. CHRIS LONGSHOT

MR EXACTA

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MrExacta wrote: »

Yep, those third world tracks (Penn National being the worst) are full of that sort of thing. Our local track does it all the time, it's just such a small bush track that no one cares. When really long prices come in, there is always a 5 minute or more delay before the prices come up, but when it's a favorite, the race is official almost immediately after the horses cross the line.

My wife and I were sitting next to a guy at our local track that hit a trifecta with a 20+-1 shot with a couple 10-1 or 15-1 horses behind him in a 10 horse field. We had plenty of time to discuss his possible huge payout, or possibility that he took the whole pool (having the only ticket) because of the long wait for the race to go official, and his $2 trifecta paid $216.00.

Check out this result from a recent day of racing at my local track. What a great Exacta to have.



I am convinced that the Pacific Classic today was rigged, or someone knew that either one of the top two horses were going to be there. It's too small of an exacta ($177) for a $50 horse winning in a huge field like that with another medium price horse in 2nd. $16,000 difference between the Trifecta and Superfecta? The Six Sense of Humor exacta in yesterday's 3rd race paid more and he was half the price at $25 and the field was 5 horses smaller. Explain that.

MrExacta -`

Hey guys, just wanted to respond to your postings from last night. While I understand your frustration with the idea that races are fixed,which I'm not debating happens, especially at small tracks, I think handicappers tend to rely too much on that theory and it starts to cloud their opinions on races.

Using your example from Mountaineer last night, you percieved a 25-1 shot wire the field by seven lengths with no opposition on a muddy track, assuming the track should be tiring to speeds.

What I saw is a 25-1 horse with lone speed that could not get the lead last time out from horses that were much quicker and had no ability to rate. Now against easier competition the 25-1 shot in question was definately going to get the lead on a track where 7 out of 10 winners lead at first call and went onto win, clearly a speed bias track. Its important to note that a muddy track plays as a sloppy track at Mountaineer, where speeds excel in these conditions, they not compromised, like some other tracks. Also, I might like to add Lu's Choice having all these advantages: lone speed, loose lead, speed favoring track, rider upgrade, recent hot trainer also came out a key race where where there were 2 next out winners, 1 second and 2 third. Well, I guess now that makes 3 next out winners. Racing is a game of perception, try to see what no one else sees and you will be successful long term. Any questions/comments please reply back. I share your frustration.

Chris Longshot


MR EXACTA


I laughed when I saw you example of the race you listed above. I had the same thing happen to me at Mountaineer. I had a 85-1 on top with a 6-1 shot second, favorite out of the money, the exacta came back $155.80. A few months later, I actually went to Mountaineer, which I do quite frequently and talked to someone in charge of the racing there just out of curiosity. He explained that the exacta pool for that race was not large since it was the first race of the night and despite the horse going off at 85-1 many punters had the exacta, go figure, when divided among the winners that was the payoff. To add insult to injury the very next race after that a 16-1 won on top of a 7-1 and paid $275.80. Maybe you guys are right after all. lol

Thanks, Chris Longshot