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Dunkirk will finish ?
I have him on my tickets because I believe he is the second best horse in the Derby but may get caught at the wire trying to chase down QR.
So far I have Desert Party, Dunkirk, Chocolate Candy and Musket Man boxed underneath QR... I will figure out 2 more before the Derby and that is my ticket for the Tri and Super. :shrr:
I have him on my tickets because I believe he is the second best horse in the Derby but may get caught at the wire trying to chase down QR.
So far I have Desert Party, Dunkirk, Chocolate Candy and Musket Man boxed underneath QR... I will figure out 2 more before the Derby and that is my ticket for the Tri and Super. :shrr:
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I will bite what do you guys see that I don't. I see a very talented horse who has 2 races of 1 1/8th under his belt and unlike others in the Derby he has run 1 1/8th a full second faster than everyone else except QR.
Any move forward and he can't help but hit the board. Gomez will be a big help.
Folks QR is a beast and the fact that he was within shouting distance of him at the wire tells me this horse is very talented. Its hard to imagine 3 horses 3 horses beating him to the wire.
Maybe i'm contradicting myself a bit, because i do like Quality Road. That one doesn't have a lot of foundation either, faces the same layoff issue, and of course missed a workout with the quarter crack problem. He does have the extra race under his belt though, and his training stretches back much farther than Dunkirk
s. He also has a clear pace edge on Dunkirk (something i brought up before the Florida Derby), and he was finishing better than Dunkirk in that last race. He also has more room to improve than Dunkirk, i think, as the Florida Derby represented his first two-turn race (compared to Dunkirk's second).
Just more to like with Quality Road. If Dunkirk can improve on Curlin's third-place finish (for horses who didn't run as a 2yo), i'll be surprised.
Dunco .....:idoit: I really have no idea what you are talking about. A 1:12 workout is a very good workout by any standards and its faster than FF runs in his races. You can bash Quality Road all you like but he is the monster to beat in this race. With his speed and ability to run a 1:35 mile something strange would have to happen to stop him from romping big time. Like it or not with the lack of any true speed in this race Quality Road is pretty much going to have things his way.
Discreet... I don't see Dunkirk winning but I also don't see 4 horses beating him. His lack of racing at 2 is a problem but he does get credit for having 2 races at 1 1/.8th...., I 100% guarantee you he will finish ahead of Friesan Fire.
Hue you make a good point but I cannot forget that Dunkirk has run 1 1/8th faster than every horse in the race except 1. Dunkirk will be in the bottom of my tickets for sure and my exacta.
The Derby is just 12 days away. Handicap the races on that day and post your winners and I will post mine. You don't have a chance......
People like me don't see past their nose ? Lol... be serious the horse set a track record FIRST TIME going 2 turns...what ? Do you have to get hit with a brick ? There is no 3 year old on this planet that can stay with him. They could line up 40 horses and it would not matter.
HE GOT A BAR SHOE ON DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS... I'LL GIVE YOU 2-1 THAT HE DOSN'T HIT THE BOARD......IF YOUR SMART YOU MIGHT CATCH THIRD AS HE LIMPS IN .........NO DON'T TAKE THE BET ..IT YOUR LUNCH MONEY
ALL TALK NO BALLS
The time argument is pretty silly. Time is important, greatly so, but it MUST be taken into account what kind of surface the time was recorded on. Some tracks are faster than others. And the Gulfstream track was definitely playing faster than normal on Florida Derby Day.
Workout times (by themselves) mean very little unless you know how a horse was doing it. The horse could've bee under restraint, or he could've been being pushed on. Big difference, and really no way to know unless you have workout reports. That's why i posted that link to the Derby workout reports, they should give us some further insight.
May 1991 Kentucky Derby I Took 10 People To The Now Defunct Garden State Racetrack Clubhouse Restaurant For Derby Day And To Lay The Largest Bet I Have Ever Placed In My Life Wether Sports Or Horses...................i Bet $ 10,000.00 On "hansel" In The Derby I Had Never Felt So Confident On A 3 Year Old Going Into The Race Needless To Say I Got Hammered And Beat By A Piece Of Shit Called "strike The Gold" Nick Zito--antley $11.00 Winner......so The Day Cost Me Close To $12,000.00 ...............needless To Say Two Weeks Later Hansel Romped In The Preakness Paid $21.60 At Calder 3 Weeks Later He Won The Belmont Paid $6.00......the Only Race Hansel Lost As A 3y.o Ld Was The Day I Laid The Biggest Bet In My Life.....now Lets Analise Why He Lost The Derby..........moving On January 3rd. 1992 Opening Day Gulfstream Meet I Go To The Track At 10.00am Im In The Paddock Watching Bailey--day--krone--sellers Filming Gulfstream T.v. Commercial,when They Were Done I Called Bailey Over And Asked Him What Happened To Hansel In The Derby.....he Said To Me He New During The Warmups That He Had No Chance As The Horse Wasnt Grasping /taking To The Track,i Said Thats Fucking Beautiful Jerry I Sure Wished I Had Known That.......thats The Excuse You Get From A Hall Of Fame Rider ........dont Get Overly Excited About This Race .........anything Can Happen.........remember The Alamo........i Meant Gicamo.......
A patch and bar shoe were placed on Quality Road, but Monday morning, there was a trickle of blood following a morning gallop at Belmont Park. Hoof specialist Ian McKinlay, whose past clients include 1997 Belmont S. (G1) winner Touch Gold and 2008 Kentucky Derby/Preakness (G1) winner Big Brown, placed a new patch on Quality Road Wednesday morning and said he foresees no future problems.
"We laid a drain in there, and there was a little bit of drainage (Wednesday), but nothing significant," McKinlay said. "This morning, everything was ice cold. I would say that, from what I saw, it's a done deal."
Jerkens planned to work either Friday or Saturday, but opted for the early work to avoid the rain that was expected on Friday afternoon. Jerkens will keep Quality Road at Belmont Park until April 28, and plans to move his works to the main track.
What you saw that day was back to back BRILLIANT performances by 3 fantastic horses. The nonsense that the track was somehow juiced up has to stop here and now. I was there!!! The track was not "juiced" horses that were average were running average times. Only brilliant performances by tremendous horses were producing any records at all.
Only in our sport could you see several horses put in legendary performances and our comments read like "Wow the track sure was fast" NO NO NO!!! What you saw were fast times run by very fast horses.